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As I quote your text, the headline "It doesn't go any further .." screams at me. I am inspired to ask if you maybe would like to change it, now? Maybe, into "It does go further!"? Oder something even better. You could go to your very first post, click "edit" and change the headline FOR EVER! Wouldn't this feel better? Or, even powerful? And magic?

Because all those tiny things have an impact. They are as a steady mantra, and I don't think THIS old mantra serves you so well.

Awa wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 7:45 pm

Paradise-on-Earth wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 12:56 pm Nah, questions bring answers and solutions. That's a good thing!

Exactly. And clarity.

YESSS!!!

So nothing is lost and even the time we spend in sorrow, worry, argument, anger, impatience or boredom or perhaps poverty is not wasted but makes the vortex bigger and bigger.

exactly! Isn't this an awesome setup!

Awa wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 7:45 pm

Paradise-on-Earth wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 12:56 pm There IS "fate"- in the way that you choose already before you come in, how and where and when and with whom you incarnate. That is some pretty big momentum already (while, again- you CHOSE that).

Often unconsciously, sloppily, kind of on the side, right? Consciously, no child would choose violence. To my understanding, at least.

Yes, there are 2 ways to choose- consciously, or by default. Much misery, but not everything that seems (!) to be unwanted is chosen by default!
You are right, almost nobody in their right mind (besides maybe a few daredevils that are stoned in the moment, as well) would choose deliberately from a human perspective, to get born into a broken family situation where it is almost certain that the child will get mistreated and worse (or into war zones, etc).

But the fact is, millions of children GET born into such situations- and according to Abe (and all other powerful nonphysical teachers that I listen to as Kryon, Bashar, the Z's and many more) state, that from nonphysical, we have a MUCH broader overview. And, we make this decisions that line out our family of origin as also our first years of life, that will mold us with so much impact that you certainly could call it "fate" (=the "when, where, with whom, how...")- very VERY purposefully and in absolutely clear minds, BEFORE we dive into a physical body! We all come from pure-positive-energy before we get born, and we go back there, immediately after we croak. And in this PURE POSITIVE energy, where there are no resistances, no fear, no hate, no pushing against, we only see what is (really) wanted, and we choose clearmindedly and absolutely seeingly what we WANT to live.

In this pure-positive stance, we see how much we could expand and achieve of our higher, TRUE goals by making this deep, very specific experiences, that we simply can not have without contrast. And that nobody would choose from the much more dense, fearful human-perspective!

Again, we are not ONLY human. We are Gods, in the very same time, both bundled into one. "Gods in physical bodies", as Abe have put it. And this Gods KNOW that certain contrast serves the higher goals, as learning to be unconditionally happy, unconditionally loving, and understanding who we REALLY are.

That sounds good. I could relax into it and trust that things will work out. Even without my active involvement. The work is done, man. Why am I just wobbling around like this? That's childish or inspiring

You lost me in this last sentence... "childish or inspiring"?

Anyway, do NOT club yourself over the head for not being "further", yet! You do not need more kicking and scolding. The only thing you need, is more self-love, more humor, more fun, more good food, more pats (at first I had written "pets on the back", and maybe yes, you need more pets? Wherever? ) on the back, more compliments, more good sex, more JOY... more time ITV!
And when you have that, more and more problems just vanish. You don't find them, anymore.
And: More and more you realize the joyful adventures that source INSPIRES you to, that you so WANT to follow!

Jawohl.

Genau!

Maybe I need a few more repetitions than others, but once I get the hang of it, it flows.

Absolutely! But cut yourself some slack! I do NOT find you "slow" at all! *I* think you are very easy "to work with". You do not seem to have BIG hang ups, or yucky resistances as bold hatred, envy or guilt. EVERY stance can find healing, but it is so hard in the dungeons of the EGS: NOT residing down there makes things so much lighter!

You are wonderfully open minded, willing to look at things in new ways, and have a great sense of humor, that all indicates that you are ITV OFTEN! You are absolutely fast in "getting" the hang of all. You are interested, you are nicely grounded also- so you seem to have a quite good balance between Heaven and Earth! And you are generous and very loving with your compliments, appreciation and thankfulness. Which shines back at you as mirror-image- "it takes one to know one".

So, maybe you could change this diminishing story that you tell about yourself, as well- just as the headline?

That was the best conversation, we've ever had


Anyway, do NOT club yourself over the head for not being "further", yet! You do not need more kicking and scolding. The only thing you need, is more self-love, more humor, more fun, more good food, more pats (at first I had written "pets on the back", and maybe yes, you need more pets? Wherever? ) on the back, more compliments, more good sex, more JOY... more time ITV!
And when you have that, more and more problems just vanish. You don't find them, anymore.
And: More and more you realize the joyful adventures that source INSPIRES you to, that you so WANT to follow!
Yes, exactly. All of that. So with you, everything is possible

Absolutely! But cut yourself some slack! I do NOT find you "slow" at all! *I* think you are very easy "to work with". You do not seem to have BIG hang ups, or yucky resistances as bold hatred, envy or guilt. EVERY stance can find healing, but it is so hard in the dungeons of the EGS: NOT residing down there makes things so much lighter!

You are wonderfully open minded, willing to look at things in new ways, and have a great sense of humor, that all indicates that you are ITV OFTEN! You are absolutely fast in "getting" the hang of all. You are interested, you are nicely grounded also- so you seem to have a quite good balance between Heaven and Earth! And you are generous and very loving with your compliments, appreciation and thankfulness. Which shines back at you as mirror-image- "it takes one to know one".

So, maybe you could change this diminishing story that you tell about yourself, as well- just as the headline?
I know worry, discouragement, sadness, grief, melancholy, disappointment, pessimism, impatience, dissatisfaction, all those unpleasant feelings and of course despair. But anger, envy, frustration, guilt, revenge, not necessarily. I learned that more or less from Abe. Being sad and depressed for a long time is terrible, but the pent-up anger and stuck-in rage are perhaps not particularly desirable either. I always skipped those phases whenever I could.

Thank you for all the wonderful compliments. I am so happy about it. Thank you

Today I had another consultation about possible financing. It was the boss's wife and she is not only very pretty, but also has a beautiful voice and a very pleasant personality. The premises in which they have their huge office are impressive. A lot of money is made here. It was nice that she didn't force anything on me, even though she also sells contracts for a large building society.

She suggested an option, that I had already considered a few days ago. At the end she said, that I should make a list of the pros and cons of owning a property.

I estimate her to be around 30 - 35 years old and I have the feeling that she really likes her job and doesn't finish work at 5 p.m., but much later. I'm a good bit older than her and it makes me think again that I haven't found that place yet. But hey, true to my new title: keep calm - life goes on.

Have a nice day

keep calm - life goes on

Awesome!!

Awa wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:50 pm That was the best conversation, we've ever had

I'm really glad!

Yes, exactly. All of that. So with you, everything is possible

I'm glad that I can help! (as I said in the post before, we are in this together! )
But really, YOU create your own reality!

I know worry, discouragement, sadness, grief, melancholy, disappointment, pessimism, impatience, dissatisfaction, all those unpleasant feelings and of course despair. But anger, envy, frustration, guilt, revenge, not necessarily. I learned that more or less from Abe. Being sad and depressed for a long time is terrible, but the pent-up anger and stuck-in rage are perhaps not particularly desirable either. I always skipped those phases whenever I could.

Many people fear rage and anger, some people -in an almost romantic, strange way- LIKE sadness more than anger or rage... and I guess it's often because they got trained out of showing rage, as children. Rage is seen as "knotty, bad behavior", and sadness has some glory.

What is a treacherous thing, because anger and rage are literally "life savers"! As long as you trust them to hold you out there, you will NOT go into the "death-zone" of guilt, despair and depression! As Abe said, in rage at least you are still able to breathe, and no one will overpower you or bog you down, without you fighting against it!



What I call the "deathzone" (dark red) happens when you suppress your life-guard rage, that will never tolerate that you hurt yourself so badly that your life-force is threatened. Before that would happen, you would hurt someone else (and society doesn't like that for obvious reasons- they like it better when you go even deeper and hurt yourself, instead). Rage prefers to yell and scream and be VISIBLE- so you can get help and notice, that this situation is unbearable. You literally fight there, for your life. Below, in despair and depression and grief, you start to dissolve yourself and others maybe not even notice it, anymore.

Also, it gets very hard to climb out of deep sadness and depression when you don't want to use rage- as it is a significant rung of your EGS-ladder upwards, above the sad stances!

So PLEASE, do NOT skip this life-giving energies, but make very good friends with them!

Thank you for all the wonderful compliments. I am so happy about it. Thank you

you deserve them!!

Today I had another consultation about possible financing. It was the boss's wife and she is not only very pretty, but also has a beautiful voice and a very pleasant personality. The premises in which they have their huge office are impressive. A lot of money is made here. It was nice that she didn't force anything on me, even though she also sells contracts for a large building society.

She suggested an option, that I had already considered a few days ago. At the end she said, that I should make a list of the pros and cons of owning a property.

Do that if it feels joyfully calling, but Abe mention that deliberately zig-zagging between pros and cons makes you literally wobble. It can add big confusion. Better make an ONLY pro-list about both, and while you do that, feel for how which one FEELS! There you will get true clarity!

I estimate her to be around 30 - 35 years old and I have the feeling that she really likes her job and doesn't finish work at 5 p.m., but much later. I'm a good bit older than her and it makes me think again that I haven't found that place yet. But hey, true to my new title: keep calm - life goes on.

Have a nice day

Inspiration comes from many sources, doesn't it! You as well!

Paradise-on-Earth wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 2:07 pm What is a treacherous thing, because anger and rage are literally "life savers"! As long as you trust them to hold you out there, you will NOT go into the "death-zone" of guilt, despair and depression! As Abe said, in rage at least you are still able to breathe, and no one will overpower you or bog you down, without you fighting against it!

As a child, I was certainly angry and wrathful and stubborn. But hatred and revenge and all of those things I never really felt, or I can't create them.
For example, when I see a friend who can rage like a hurricane, I find that quite strange. Kind of childish. A guy who finds revenge sweet.

Paradise-on-Earth wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 2:07 pm What I call the "deathzone" (dark red) happens when you suppress your life-guard rage, that will never tolerate that you hurt yourself so badly that your life-force is threatened. Before that would happen, you would hurt someone else (and society doesn't like that for obvious reasons- they like it better when you go even deeper and hurt yourself, instead). Rage prefers to yell and scream and be VISIBLE- so you can get help and notice, that this situation is unbearable. You literally fight there, for your life. Below, in despair and depression and grief, you start to dissolve yourself and others maybe not even notice it, anymore.

Actually, all feelings are good as long as I don't hurt myself or others.

Paradise-on-Earth wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 2:07 pm Also, it gets very hard to climb out of deep sadness and depression when you don't want to use rage- as it is a significant rung of your EGS-ladder upwards, above the sad stances!

So PLEASE, do NOT skip this life-giving energies, but make very good friends with them!

It's not that I don't want to, I don't really know who to direct this anger or hatred at, because nothing is rising up inside me. It's more of an accusation, if I can even call it that, against God. But this "anger" quickly disappears again. Perhaps you could also call it an argument (hadern).

Paradise-on-Earth wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 2:07 pm Do that if it feels joyfully calling, but Abe mention that deliberately zig-zagging between pros and cons makes you literally wobble. It can add big confusion.

That sounds much better

Awa wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 7:47 am As a child, I was certainly angry and wrathful and stubborn. But hatred and revenge and all of those things I never really felt, or I can't create them.
For example, when I see a friend who can rage like a hurricane, I find that quite strange. Kind of childish. A guy who finds revenge sweet.

(...)

It's not that I don't want to, I don't really know who to direct this anger or hatred at, because nothing is rising up inside me. It's more of an accusation, if I can even call it that, against God. But this "anger" quickly disappears again. Perhaps you could also call it an argument (hadern).

I once made a therapist VERY angry, as I simply did not felt anger about a situation It was a painting session and she had done everything to foster a "therapeutic rage-session" (aggressive music and so on) but I felt SO high on the world, and all her trying made me feel like smiling...
So, believe me, I'm not trying to steer you into emotions that you don't feel in the moment.

But it's strange that you have obviously numbed them out totally, not "knowing them", as rage and revenge and anger are a very important part of the EGS, that have a very bold job and are supposed to serve you in a big way! THEY ARE THERE. What has happened to them?

I know that MANY people have almost completely suppressed those angry emotions, which makes it hard for them to escape sadness and also the very lowest emotions. When you (originally) had the feeling that "it doesn't get any further" (your original title) this could hint to you unconsciously refusing to go into anger, and so being stuck on your way up!?

I would accept it in a heartbeat that you just don't "go there", when you would say that you are basically a very happy person who has no problems that get you into anger or below.
But... not knowing them at all? That sounds strange.
Also, you stated that you KNOW depression and, as you phrased it, "of course grief". Both are below rage! So, something is very screwy, here. I'd advice you to look out for this emotions, and recover and save them!!-

Rage has nothing to do with being in your head/intellect. It is a very basic "gut" emotion, connected with the root- chacra. You don't need to "know" where to point your rage a! It simply happens. It IS. Not allowing this "lower" in the body residing emotion can be caused for another reason, and that is that people or societies who try to be mostly intellectual (as they deem that to be elevated), or "very good", or even "pure and pristine", and aquaint anger/revenge/rage with the lower body-parts that often are deemed animalistic and "dirty". What do you think- might this come from your upbringing? Does that ring a bell? Maybe you can ask a therapist about it?

Actually, all feelings are good as long as I don't hurt myself or others.

Understood. But really, emotions themselves are no danger! If they feel bad, they are just the INDICATORS that you already HAVE hurt yourself or others! The negativity IS, and the body-funtions ARE hindered, and your joy IS diminished. Your willingness to think or act in hurtful ways IS already in mode! And your emotions bring this facts to your awareness. They are your alarm-system, not the problem itself.

I have generally thought about revenge, anger, rage, rage, frustration and all of these things. Of course I am annoyed and angry and I can talk myself into a rage, but these feelings don't last very long. As a child I argued with my cousin and we fought. Luckily, we always made up quickly. His parents had a toxic marriage, which was bad for the whole family. That certainly left a few marks.

I have always liked my body and that's why, in my opinion, there are no dirty body parts. My family never made me feel like there was something wrong with me.

I was not depressed, sad, melancholic or even desperate, but I was. I am a crybaby who likes to laugh

I had a landlord who I really liked, even though he was completely choleric in the mornings and raged for hours. He often told me about his heart attack and pacemaker and said that, besides buying houses, anger was his favorite hobby. At some point, his employees just shook their heads and discussed important matters with his wife. I didn't find this behavior desirable, but I appreciated him as a businessman.

I'm more annoyed by my professional situation and sometimes I notice a slight annoyance making itself felt. In my private life, by that I mean my closest circle of friends, it's pretty relaxed, nothing triggers me.

Awa wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 8:17 pm I have generally thought about revenge, anger, rage, rage, frustration and all of these things. Of course I am annoyed and angry and I can talk myself into a rage, but these feelings don't last very long. As a child I argued with my cousin and we fought. Luckily, we always made up quickly. His parents had a toxic marriage, which was bad for the whole family. That certainly left a few marks.

I have always liked my body and that's why, in my opinion, there are no dirty body parts. My family never made me feel like there was something wrong with me.
I was not depressed, sad, melancholic or even desperate, but I was. I am a crybaby who likes to laugh


I had a landlord who I really liked, even though he was completely choleric in the mornings and raged for hours. He often told me about his heart attack and pacemaker and said that, besides buying houses, anger was his favorite hobby. At some point, his employees just shook their heads and discussed important matters with his wife. I didn't find this behavior desirable, but I appreciated him as a businessman.

I'm more annoyed by my professional situation and sometimes I notice a slight annoyance making itself felt. In my private life, by that I mean my closest circle of friends, it's pretty relaxed, nothing triggers me.

Maybe you are much more happy and in alignment than you think you are? All of this sounds quite awesome to me!

You lost me here, it seems to say opposing statements:

I was not depressed, sad, melancholic or even desperate, but I was. I am a crybaby who likes to laugh

...what are you, or are you not? (We of course can drop it! Please only answer if you think it matters)

Since my English is not good, I use Google Translate. There seem to be contradictions when the sentences are too complex.

I have never been depressed. But I consider myself melancholic by nature and still laugh a lot.
Does that sound weird ?

Awa wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 10:45 pm Since my English is not good, I use Google Translate. There seem to be contradictions when the sentences are too complex.

now that makes sense, that it doesn't make sense!

I have never been depressed.

Ups, I read that wrong then, too. Sorry!

But I consider myself melancholic by nature and still laugh a lot.
Does that sound weird ?

it sounds unique!

Have you ever heard of the typology "Enneagram"? Number 4 are those that treasure a specific "melancholy" that can be completely ITV (not being a native speaker I'm not sure if this is really the right word...?). It balances with embracing beauty, nature, and also the beauty of disintegrating, death and departure. Seeing Death and all that goes with it as being a beautiful part of life, so to speak! So, imo, this might be an explanation that could show you the goodness and rightness of "who you are"!? (not that you would need that, but in my experience it feels so good to see, you are not alone in certain things that most people deem strange)...

Ups, I read that wrong then, too. Sorry! :
Please don't worry

I'm not sure, but it's definitely difficult to work when you're depressed and that was never the case for me. But that's bizarre because I never really wanted to work. I think it's rather crazy to define yourself by your job. Many people feel completely worthless without work. If I could, I would stop working immediately. What a relief that would be...

Have you ever heard of the typology "Enneagram"? Number 4 are those that treasure a specific "melancholy" that can be completely ITV (not being a native speaker I'm not sure if this is really the right word...?). It balances with embracing beauty, nature, and also the beauty of disintegrating, death and departure. Seeing Death and all that goes with it as being a beautiful part of life, so to speak! So, imo, this might be an explanation that could show you the goodness and rightness of "who you are"!? (not that you would need that, but in my experience it feels so good to see, you are not alone in certain things that most people deem strange)...

I haven't heard of that before, but it sounds very interesting. Thank you very much

Romy Schneider once said in an interview, that she was elated and then sad to death. Her beauty, her grace, her elegance, her gentleness, her laughter were unique, despite her sadness and melancholy.